How the narcissist can fool even an "expert"

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Firstly I put “expert” in inverted comas because my understanding is due to personal experience and research, I don’t have a psychologist or psychiatrist qualification.  However I do know a lot about narcissistic behaviours and felt I should have known better.

 

So how did it start?

 

Well over on Twitter I was tagged in a post which in a nutshell stated that Parental Alienation was made up by men to further abuse women.  I must admit that triggered me.  From experience, women are just as capable as men of alienating the other parent and I know how devastating that can be so I replied to the post saying that PA is a very real issue and both men and women can experience it.  I said I felt it was unwise to make it about gender.

 

They retaliated with lots of claims about how women are abused by everyone when they make claims of domestic or child abuse.  Again I reiterated that it wasn’t a gender issue.

 

I am not denying that there is inconsistency in handling abuse but men can be equally badly treated. The issue here is not gender though, that is my point. Statements like yours imply all men are abusers are all women victim but that is far from true and unhelpful”   The Nurturing Coach

This carried on for a few days and I began to see that they were no interested in a healthy debate, they simply wanted to win (which I pointed out to them).  Now at this point my advice to clients is always ignore and go grey rock, don’t feed them.

 

But I didn’t.

 

I kept responding to their more and more outrageous claims – at one point they actually used the phrase “men are physically stronger” to support their argument that all men are abusers and all women are victims.  I attempted to reason with them that gender stereotyping is dangerous but they kept coming back with two tweets at a time.

 

And I kept taking the bait.  Until they accused me of gaslighting.  That was my jolt that I needed to step away and cut contact.  Which is exactly what I did, asking them not to contact me again to which they responded with some more insults and now they have blocked me (they still follow me though).

 

“You are accusing me of gaslighting simply because I think your inaccurate claims are dangerous. Which is projection and i refuse to engage with you as you do not want a balanced discussion, you want to win”  The Nurturing Coach

 

I am not qualified to diagnose narcissism but this person, who was fighting for the rights of mothers to essentially alienate the ex, displayed characteristics which I recognise as narcissistic (from DSM-5)

  • (1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) – they shared with me their “research” which was just a google doc they had prepared
  • (4) requires excessive admiration – kept engaging with me even when I asked them not to
  • (5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations – was only interested in getting my agreement, not is having a healthy discussion
  • (6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends – tagged 6 people in the post and attacked one of them who asked to be removed from the conversation
  • (7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others – was totally unwilling to consider that parental alienation is an issue for both sexes
  • (9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes – basically attacks anyone who disagrees with them

 

I share this not to name and shame but just to highlight how easily I was drawn into their supply.  Their comments triggered me and before I knew it I was down the rabbit hole!  I recognised their behaviours but still engaged, fuelled by my passion to try and help them see how dangerous their statements were.  If they had presented their cause in a less alienating, controlling and aggressive way, I would have enjoyed listening to their perspectives.  But instead I was left feeling like I had let myself down by engaging with them.

 

So if you are struggling with enforcing those boundaries, I understand.  It happens so easily that you don’t even know what is going on until it is too late.  So don’t beat yourself up.  Remember that they are very clever at knowing which buttons to press and how to engage you.  And if you do find yourself embroiled, get out as soon as you recognise what is going on.  It’s never too late to go grey rock.

 

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2 thoughts on “How the narcissist can fool even an "expert"”

  1. I acknowledge that parental alienation exists & is very damaging. However, my ex has accused me of alienating him & our children from each other many times over. Whilst on overnight contact my ex husband’s behaviour was so horrendous ( he would say appalling things about me & interrogate our sons, even telling them how he would cut me with a knife!) My sons would lock themselves in the bathroom & beg me to collect them.
    I had to navigate my way through family court( where I was further abused) I only wanted to protect my sons, but was treated as if I was a terrible person intent upon preventing a relationship between my sons & their father. All I wanted was for my ex husband to behave appropriately when our sons were in his care, so that they could enjoy a normal relationship together. My sons are adults now & refuse any contact with their father. I am still accused of parental alienation by my ex husband to this day.
    My experience through family court was the most awful experience of my life & leaves me feeling suspicious when I hear someone claim they have been alienated from their children. Having been accused of parental Alienation & reading about people getting ‘fired up’ over this topic, I can sympathise with them & understand why they feel so angry. Maybe their reaction is caused from having had a terrible experience like I have had where family court have made them feel like dreadful people when their only intention was to protect their children?
    I agree that discussions should be balanced. Every situation is different & it’s not always easy to tell if someone’s intentions are good. I understand this & hope I have articulated a different perspective to this.
    Rebecca

  2. Sadly parental alienation, as with all abuse, can be used against the real victim. I see this from all angles. I know your story is just as horrific as those where real alienation has taken place. Until courts and professionals get better trained at recognising the signs or, ideally, referring to an expert, children will continued to be hurt in this way.

    I am so sorry you have had this experience and thank you for sharing your very balanced view x

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